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this is the saucer life a podcast in

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which we examine concepts events for

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people orbiting the world of flying

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saucers few preconceptions snark when

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justified no belief no debunking this is

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the zine scene

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the paraufologist it's been a while

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episodes i suppose you could count our

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episode last fall about

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strange humanoid creatures in

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pacific rim and some japanese contact

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east those stories all came from

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so alan greenfield a lot of you have

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read his books you might have seen him

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secret cipher of the euphenots or his

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sinister some kind of rituals of the men

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in black i can never

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books all the way across the room so i'm

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installment and other ones that might

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happen throughout 2022 i'm going to try

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the website is quote a customary title

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doinel lineage upon their consecration

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do with magic but greenfield is a native

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of georgia and uh has lived in a number

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elected member of the british society

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investigations committee on aerial

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phenomenon or nightcap all the way back

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in 1960 he's twice been named ufologist

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of the year by the national ufo

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conference in both 1972 and 1992 and he

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florida pascagoula mississippi and brown

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mountain north carolina and he considers

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the ufo phenomenon to be quote a signal

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from the collective unconscious that the

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neglect of magical spirituality by

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an explanation for the ufo phenomenon as

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from time nor space a ufo silencer a

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pagan writer and a luminoid nor for that

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which questions those were he also back

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greenfield newsletter so that's kind of

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that they are reasonably accurate

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organizations was in decline

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but there was a drop-off and

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maybe that's just the way things are

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it may just be in the cards that way

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the fact may be that because of its

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nature ufology is doomed to remain in

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this type of cycle because in order to

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get the kind of results we need for

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serious attention we first need to have

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that very attention

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ufology as a field may not be alone in

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that boat but we may be down in the

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bottom doing the bailing down in the

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bottom where the water covers first

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blub blub

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ufology he says is sort of fighting a

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rear guard action whether that part of

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the cycle the down cycle and it might

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just be the natural

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way that things are so what's the answer

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it's not to throw in the towel he

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doesn't want to throw in the towel but

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it might be

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important to rethink

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how things go

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that maybe

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the political establishment as he calls

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it or the public

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are not

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in his words the whole ball game maybe

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there's a need to move in a different

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direction

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if such hasn't already taken place

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without my knowledge i call for moving

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in the direction of obtaining a small

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spelled realistic research grant

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possibly from private enterprise this

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grant would not go to some private ufo

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organization but the scientific

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personnel interested in continued ufo

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study

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this grant would perhaps be to do a

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preliminary study related to the

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following questions

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1. what areas of further study seem most

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promising in terms of potential

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scientific discovery two

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what range of funding

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would be needed to continue research in

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he's very clear that he isn't exactly

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sure how to go about doing this

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but he's fairly certain that

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doing things the way things have always

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been done

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is no longer viable

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from a research standpoint at least some

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of private ufology might now in a sense

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be well advised to more or less toss

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conservatism to the wind and stop

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worrying about respectability the ugly

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truth perhaps is that ufology today is

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not merely without respect from the

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world at large it has become an un-thing

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and un-subject so while a few jacket and

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tie-wearing front groups may still be

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very much in order the rest of us

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hypothetically can dig in and really try

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to dig out the truth about saucers

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whatever that may be

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and when all is said and done that is

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something of potential importance

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whether saucers are page one in the big

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city dailies or schlock for the lesser

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the answer is not going to come from the

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establishment whether that's the

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military establishment the political

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establishment or the scientific

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establishment

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scientists have a role to play

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but they're not going to be operating in

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a large

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governmentally sanctioned operation

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like the condom committee anymore and

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ufology has to forget this idea of

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appealing to

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the good and the great and the powerful

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it's time to

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just sort of get your hands dirty

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normal regular people

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smart people scientists get some money

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together and try to figure out the

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answer

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is it the best way to go about doing

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things

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maybe not but looking at it from my

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perspective i think it's at least as

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plausible from a 1970 perspective as

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getting another government study that

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would somehow come up with an answer

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that is

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more favorable to ufology and looking at

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it from a 21st century perspective yeah

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i think the idea that the answers are

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not going to be given to us by the

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establishment whatever answers there are

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is

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a reasonable thing to assume something

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else interesting in this first issue of

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the periofologist is a little blurb that

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is titled a five-lesson course in

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ufology

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as time goes by and the directions of

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ufo and unusual phenomenon research

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become more complex the advanced

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investigator might find himself

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increasingly unable to communicate to

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others easily the theoretical

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ramifications of the ufo problem

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it is suggested that the following five

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book course presented it to an

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interested but information lacking

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layman may provide the necessary bridge

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or some approximation of it the books

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should be read in the order presented

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here

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[Music]

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so what are the books the first book so

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the first in order is the report on

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unidentified flying objects by former

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blue book head edward j rupelt and

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greenfield specifies that this should

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not be the revised edition of this work

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i went and checked the one that's on my

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shelf and it says it's the new enlarged

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edition it doesn't say revised but i

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still suspect that i have been subject

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to air force disinformation next we have

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anatomy of a phenomenon by jacques valet

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he doesn't specify there's a specific

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version that you should avoid for this

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one third is the interrupted journey by

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john g fuller that's the book about the

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betty and barney hill abduction

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which we're probably going to have to do

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an episode on sooner or later

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four is another valet book passport to

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magonia which is um interesting it's an

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interesting one uh and five the last one

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is ufos operation trojan horse

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by john keel which is probably

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my second favorite keel book uh i don't

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know that's

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that's hard to

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it's hard to determine um it's a good

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one so

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those are the five books in that order

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that greenfield thinks would be a good

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uh a good basis for the

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quote interested but infra information

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lacking layman and he says please report

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experimental results to the editor of

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the para paraufologist what's funny is

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when i first looked at this list of

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books i kept thinking of well why isn't

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such and such on there or why not that

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book or this seems like an oversight and

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then i realized every book i was

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thinking would be a good addition or

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substitution on this list didn't exist

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when he wrote this list so given that

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it's 1970 when this came out this is a

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pretty thorough list

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i would add gray barkers they knew too

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much about flying saucers to this list

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but that's because it's my favorite ufo

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book of all time i can easily see why

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somebody wouldn't add it to a list like

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this actually now that i'm here thinking

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about it

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in addition to any questions or comments

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you have about this episode um over the

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next week before our listener feedback

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segment on this one tell me what would

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you swap out from this list if anything

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you have five books

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published before 1970 about ufology

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which one would you add and if you took

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one out which one

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would that be

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i think that might be interesting to get

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your take on that all right let's move

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on to issue number two which as far as i

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can tell came out probably

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late 1970 early 1971 the cover is

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missing from the scan so

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we only have the clue that he's

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referencing in this first article a

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newspaper article from october of 1970.

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it's a upi

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uh wire service article discussing an

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unexplained explosion which occurred on

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october 6th at 9 30 in the evening fiery

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material was seen falling from the sky

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alan greenfield wrote a couple of the

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officials that were mentioned in the

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article local officials he received a

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reply from one a month later which

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indicated that the explosion itself was

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still officially

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unexplained

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greenfield explains that there's nothing

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here that is necessarily

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unexplained

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but he does say that within the static

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of a lot of perfectly conventional

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though unusual sounding material we may

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find an element that does tie in with

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the hypothetical general fabric of the

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unknown

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so basically

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there's lots of things out there in the

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news that are weird and they might not

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all connect to something

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numinous or

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mysterious or ethereal or paranormal in

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any way

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but taking a broad view of everything

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that happens in the news you might be

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able to find connections and then he

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asks the readers or sort of suggests to

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the readers a course of action to sort

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of

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investigate this idea

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if you have nothing better to do you

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might try and experiment something like

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this head for the largest newspaper

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stand in town one that carries lots of

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out of town papers if you live somewhere

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in a remote jungle you might find it

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appropriate to take a rain check on this

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particular experiment

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buy up as many out of town papers as you

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are willing to carry home

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next once you're home read through these

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papers looking for odd items someone

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struck by lightning here someone

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vanishes without a trace there see what

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you come up with if you expect this to

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reveal some grand sinister pattern to

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you you might be disappointed on the

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other hand don't look too hard for any

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pattern or you may just find one that

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isn't there at all

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on the third hand and if you have one of

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those you really have better things to

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do than sitting there reading newspapers

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if you take a reserved but interested

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view you may find that even on a random

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day quite a bit shows up of unusual

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i am absolutely not going to say

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anything that resembles the word

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synchronicity with regard to this idea

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but i do like the notion of examining

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the news for things that

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aren't necessarily

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significant in and of themselves but

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when linked to different things that you

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see

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might make up a pattern and i really

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appreciate that he points out that the

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pattern might not be there the harder

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you look for it the more you're likely

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to find it and the more likely you are

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to find something that you're looking

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for the more likely it is to not really

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be anything at all right so i enjoy

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that take there's a couple other things

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in issue number two that i thought were

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worth mentioning well there's a lot of

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stuff worth mentioning but there are two

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others that i'm going to mention just

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because we're limited for time so i'm

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limiting myself here in the book review

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section we've got a review of today's

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witches by susie smith published by

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prentice hall i'm not familiar with this

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book

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but reading the review about the the

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rise of witchcraft in the in the united

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states it's really interesting to me

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because this is 1971 when this comes out

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and i think that's right around the same

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time

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as the bbc tv documentary the power of

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the witch which was about witchcraft

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in modern britain or the history of

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witchcraft in modern britain which is an

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interesting interesting film if you're

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interested in sort of the

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rural

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folk

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traditions that underlie a lot of

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folk horror from britain in the

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1970s such as the wicker man which is

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one of my favorite films of all time and

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also of course the classic doctor who

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story the demons

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and the other really fascinating thing

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here is a

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outline an outline titled preliminary

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notes toward a history of the private

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unidentified flying object field in the

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united states

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and

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i could take any chunk

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of this outline and

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say hey here's a great

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episode so let's we're not going to go

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through it line by line but it is

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completely

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thorough this is this is the most

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thorough thing ever this is the outline

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of a book that doesn't really exist to

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my knowledge i don't think any history

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of ufology is as thorough as what this

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outline proposes so let's take a look at

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what's going on here because this is

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just phenomenal and i love almost

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everything about it unfortunately the

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first

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outline point says the

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something of the 1940s and the scan is

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blurry and it looks like the typewriter

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was a little blurry

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epiphanology epiphenomenology something

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like that of the 1940s i i probably will

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put throw a picture of that up on social

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media and see if i can get some feedback

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into what that might say starts off

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point number one kenneth arnold and the

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explosion of ufo sightings in 1947 but

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then it goes into the pre-ufology

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structure of the 1940s with the

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borderline science research associates

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the fortian society uh the shaver

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mystery um and then into the 1950s with

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frank scully's book and donald kehoe's

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article in true magazine and then 1952

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with

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the

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you know flying saucer thing over

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washington 52 was a big year one of the

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one of the first big waves after 1947

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and then outlined point number two he

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goes into the ufology movement of the

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1950s and even if it did nothing else

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right i would love this forever because

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the first bullet point under the 1950s

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is albert k bender and the ifsb and the

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mysterious closing and bender's

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subsequent activities and publications

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then georgette adamski and and his

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activities and

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it sort of puts other contact accounts

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of the 50s sort of as a sub sub point

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under adamski and he he uses uh van

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tassel and bathroom and reinhold schmidt

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as three examples of that so i find that

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interesting because there are a lot of

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contactees to choose from in the 1950s

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and seeing uh my

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my favorites

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bathroom and schmidt there is just

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outstanding and then he goes into

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personalities and organizations the

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1950s we've got gray barker we've got

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jim mosley we've got max miller who i

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don't think we've covered on the show

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yet

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norbert garrity which i know we haven't

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frank edwards leonard stringfeld

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donald kehoe coral lawrenson ray palmer

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and then nycap

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so

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the 50s and then the third big point

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citing reports during the 1950s and a

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huge number in including the french

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cases in 1954. yes we're going to do an

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episode on those and then photographic

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cases including mcminnville oregon

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adamski's photos um photos or movies

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rather from utah and montana we've got

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the lubbock lights we've got the

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reverend gill sighting um yes it's on

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the list hey i've got to keep the show

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going so yes there are topics that we

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still need to cover

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then

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big point number four american ufology

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in the 1960s

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and it's it's interesting it's i don't

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00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,480
think this is self-indulgent but

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i really like

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authors kind of find their way around to

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putting themselves in because the first

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points under american ufology 1960s are

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the teen ufology movement and a new

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generation of ufologists and

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something

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i don't know poignant maybe is the list

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00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:05,760
of uh you fall out leopological teens

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that he lists here it's timothy green

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beckley and um others you may have heard

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00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:13,039
of alan greenfield obviously jerome

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00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:15,520
clarke david halperin

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00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,600
alan greenfield i think i mentioned his

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00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:19,360
he mentioned his own name twice those

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are the names that jump out at me

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because i'm familiar with their work and

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00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:25,120
i'm familiar with their work and i i

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00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:26,480
realize that

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00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:28,720
of those who are still with us these are

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not these are not young people these are

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00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,240
not young men at all but they were the

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teens in the 1960s and they were that

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new generation and um they they did some

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00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:41,760
phenomenal

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work um

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00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:44,640
david halperin

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00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:47,440
in particular i enjoy his work he's he's

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00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,360
got it had a new book out it came out

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00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:51,919
last year i've not read it yet i

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00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:54,159
have it but i have not

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00:27:59,549 --> 00:27:56,240
read it so then he goes into some cases

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00:28:02,549 --> 00:27:59,559
from the 1960s um the michigan wave in

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00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:02,559
1996 and things like that the condon

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committee

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00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:04,919
the

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00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:12,000
publications that were out sort of

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00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:15,279
another new sub generation the congress

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00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,279
of scientific ufologists things like

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00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,760
that there's a section on nycap and a

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00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:21,600
section on theoretical changes in the

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00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:25,600
ufo field with uh writers like john keel

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00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:27,200
and jacques vallet

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00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:29,600
newer contact cases woody derenberger

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00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:31,919
and the hills and then the hill case

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00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:33,360
becomes its own

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00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,240
point

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00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:36,080
the word abduction

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00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,600
i don't think is mentioned anywhere in

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00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,279
here because we aren't

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00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:41,760
sort of at that point yet we get the

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00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:44,399
scientific involvement with

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00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:47,200
j allen heineck and

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00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:49,279
donald menzel who's you know not a pro

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00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:51,919
ufo person but a science type interested

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00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:57,669
the contact e movement during the 1960s

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00:29:03,269 --> 00:28:59,679
adamski's work the giant rock

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00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:03,279
conventions post adamski contactees

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00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:06,320
and ufology at the beginning of the 70s

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00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,799
the congress of scientific ufologists

742
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,159
continued

743
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:12,399
interest but mostly

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00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:16,000
a decline so i i think this outline is

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00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:17,919
just fascinating and there's a little

746
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:20,320
bit of commentary after this where

747
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:23,039
greenfield says um where does it go from

748
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:25,840
here i don't know at this writing i

749
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:27,440
should think the subject is worthy of a

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00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:30,480
book but don't count on me to write it

751
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:33,679
which is um a refreshingly honest thing

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00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:36,159
and if somebody wants to

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00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:37,120
tackle

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00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:39,679
something this huge that would be

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00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:42,399
outstanding i do love this outline a lot

756
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:44,720
there are some problems with it i think

757
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:48,559
it's a little indulgent a little bit he

758
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:52,080
includes the para ufologist on his list

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00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,559
of new 70s

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00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:56,880
publications and a sign of continued

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00:30:01,750 --> 00:29:58,799
interest you know you're on issue number

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00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:01,760
two at this point sir don't get ahead of

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00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:04,240
yourself and you know some of the names

764
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:05,440
that he lists is you know the new

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00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:06,640
generation

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00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:08,559
you know they're

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00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,720
it there's it's it's a click it's a

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00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:12,960
scene and he's sort of mentioning the

769
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,880
people in the scene

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00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:16,399
but um

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00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:17,360
you know

772
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:20,080
in the end big sweeping histories no

773
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:21,760
matter how big and sweeping they are do

774
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,159
have to narrow things down a little bit

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00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,240
and if this book were to be written with

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00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:28,559
everything fleshed out that's in this uh

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00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,880
in this outline it would be roughly

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00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,919
90

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00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,080
zillion pages all right let's take a

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00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:36,399
little break and when we come back

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00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:40,159
we will tackle numbers three and four of

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00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:43,010
the para ufologists

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00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:50,240
[Music]

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00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:52,080
we'll be back in a week fielding your

785
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,360
questions and comments about this

786
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:55,200
episode including your suggestions for

787
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:58,960
that five book ufo course so be sure to

788
00:31:01,669 --> 00:31:00,320
get those to us in the comments under

789
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:01,679
this episode

790
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:03,840
on the website on social media or

791
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:10,950
then on the next regular episode

792
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:13,519
we are going to begin our epic look at

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00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,000
the story of the philadelphia experiment

794
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:18,399
the montauk project and related

795
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:20,080
weirdness and yes

796
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,200
there were ufos involved even more than

797
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:25,919
i initially suspected and we're going to

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00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:29,360
kick this off with the story of morris k

799
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:30,480
jessup

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00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:33,039
or as grey barker's book termed it the

801
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:36,080
strange case of morris k jessup

802
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:37,360
if you want to think of it as a

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00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:40,000
multi-part episode i won't stop you but

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00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,360
i'm designing it more as a series of

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00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:45,840
standalone episodes more or less

806
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,840
standalone episodes kind of like what we

807
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,519
did with mothman

808
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:51,360
a couple years ago looking at different

809
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,559
aspects in each episode but uh listening

810
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:56,880
to them in order would probably be a

811
00:32:03,110 --> 00:31:59,519
good idea so it's gonna be two maybe

812
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:03,120
three i don't know haven't decided yet

813
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,600
you could do a whole podcast like an

814
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,600
entire series that runs for multiple

815
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:09,760
years about the montauk stuff

816
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,720
i don't recommend it it is um i mean i

817
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:15,120
don't recommend doing a podcast i kind

818
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,240
of recommend the montauk stuff um

819
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:20,159
it's weird as you'll see

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00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,600
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like that but while i'm not entirely

839
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,200
sure what march's bonus episode for the

840
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:07,200
saucer life is going to entirely consist

841
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:09,200
of at least one segment will be devoted

842
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:10,480
to

843
00:33:16,509 --> 00:33:13,679
the lear test if you remember that from

844
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:16,519
the old coast to coast episode back in

845
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:19,200
2003 and i will be subjecting the saucer

846
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:20,320
wife to

847
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,200
the leer test on the saucer wife saucer

848
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:25,200
wife bonus episode oh she'd love that

849
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,000
the saucer life bonus episode over on

850
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:30,240
patreon so thank you so much to those

851
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:32,000
who have joined us over there it's a lot

852
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,760
of fun um

853
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,760
if you if you want to

854
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:37,279
the links in the show notes you can

855
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:39,120
check out past episodes in your podcast

856
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,200
app or over at saucerlife.com

857
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:42,960
we're at twitter and instagram

858
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:45,519
saucerlife saucerlifepodcast

859
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:48,000
on facebook search for us you'll find it

860
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:49,519
um if you want to send us something in

861
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:51,600
the mail that's nice and safe and and

862
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:52,399
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863
00:33:57,870 --> 00:33:55,840
you can do so at chiso media po box 68

864
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:57,880
grand blank michigan

865
00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:01,360
48480 and now let's get back to the para

866
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:03,510
ufologist

867
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,599
[Music]

868
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:11,679
there is some interesting interesting

869
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,520
stuff in issue 3 of the paraufologist

870
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:17,760
and this might be some of my favorite

871
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:21,599
material in any saucer publication i

872
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:24,639
have ever read at least this first thing

873
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:25,359
is

874
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:28,480
story it's fiction

875
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:31,919
i think called the saucer lecturer and

876
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:34,879
it's told in the first person by

877
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:37,839
a saucer lecturer who is accompanied by

878
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,839
his friends raub

879
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,000
and his friend welu

880
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:44,240
and his friend raung

881
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:46,720
and they are at

882
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:49,280
a lecture and it is

883
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:52,159
just hilarious i'm not going to read the

884
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,359
whole thing but it begins with the the

885
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:57,280
narrator the speaker looking at the

886
00:35:00,950 --> 00:35:00,079
audience seeing about 50 or 60 people

887
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:00,960
there

888
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:03,359
his friend wee lou was dressed as a

889
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:07,119
hippie his friend rayong is wearing a

890
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:09,839
scientific suit with a small neatly

891
00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:12,079
trimmed fake beard but the hippie thing

892
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:14,839
is interesting the narrator has this to

893
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:17,280
say of course we wouldn't want our

894
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:19,040
people to develop too much of a hippie

895
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,720
image because that might shift the

896
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:22,400
straights right back into the saucer

897
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:24,800
movement and we wanted anything but that

898
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:27,040
but we lu had a very small part tonight

899
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:28,720
all he had to do was stand up at the

900
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:31,760
right moment and yell fake after rayong

901
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:37,990
so clearly things aren't on the up and

902
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:40,400
up with this saucer lecturer and his

903
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,160
friends raeong raub reen and wah what's

904
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:46,320
the name walub

905
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,480
wee lou weeloo

906
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:50,800
yeah something is strange here

907
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,720
but it's time for the lecture to start

908
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:56,240
checking my watch i could see that it

909
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,880
was exactly eight i gave rene the signal

910
00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:00,240
to begin and he walked over to the

911
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:02,000
speaker's table and began his bit with

912
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,040
the pa

913
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:05,119
as usual we had fixed it in such a way

914
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:07,359
so that it would work badly all evening

915
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:08,960
one he began

916
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:12,240
testing one two 3

917
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:13,119
test

918
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:17,440
last minute check of the slide projector

919
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:20,000
perfect four slides were in upside down

920
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:21,520
and the bulb was all set to burn out

921
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:23,119
right in the middle of the lecture

922
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,880
everything was in order i was sure and

923
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:26,480
rene having finished his messing with

924
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:33,750
rhene welcomes everybody to the atlantic

925
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,240
coast flying object convention they're

926
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,560
glad everybody's there and it gives him

927
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,400
great pleasure to introduce this special

928
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:42,960
guest lecturer our narrator

929
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:46,720
fieldson h henry an expert on the flying

930
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:49,359
saucer subject as well as esp

931
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,800
and astrology the audience begins to

932
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:54,400
clap

933
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:56,240
the unimpressive sound of applause from

934
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,480
the small crowd was absolute music to my

935
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,800
ears i walked slowly to the table making

936
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,640
sure to trip over the mic cable slightly

937
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,480
as i pushed my glasses slightly off to

938
00:37:08,650 --> 00:37:06,400
the side to enhance the crackpot image i

939
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:08,660
was to project and began

940
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,440
[Music]

941
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:13,440
the speaker begins conservatively

942
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:15,200
talking about the arnold incident the

943
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:17,599
washington sightings of 52 the gill case

944
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:18,960
socorro

945
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:20,720
michigan swamp gas

946
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,640
talks a little bit about the contactees

947
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,480
keeping it quote objective and

948
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:26,960
impersonal then he begins the slideshow

949
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,920
portion

950
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:29,520
and he shows

951
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:32,160
distress when the projector bulb blows

952
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:32,960
out

953
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:35,200
they look around for one but of course

954
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:37,599
they didn't have one so that's 15

955
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,520
minutes they're wasting trying to find a

956
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:41,920
bulb for the projector

957
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:43,839
one night last year while doing this bit

958
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:45,200
some damned idiot in the audience

959
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,440
actually had a bulb with him we had to

960
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:49,119
make do with the inverted slides and the

961
00:37:52,780 --> 00:37:50,880
fake looking photographs projected to

962
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:52,790
salvage the slide part of the program

963
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:56,079
[Music]

964
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:59,520
after that it was time for intermission

965
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,280
now the break you see is designed to

966
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,119
show us how well we are doing on a given

967
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:05,280
evening if we are doing quite well about

968
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:06,960
half the people in the audience will not

969
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:09,200
be back on a poor evening only one or

970
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,240
two leave

971
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:12,000
one time we were lucky enough to find an

972
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:13,760
unheated hall in the dead of winter

973
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:15,440
which also had the additional asset of

974
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,839
no restrooms only about five persons

975
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,680
stayed that time all presumably with

976
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:21,760
heavy coats and fantastic control of

977
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:23,839
bodily functions and this was back in

978
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:27,200
1967 when saucer lecturers even bad ones

979
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:28,800
were really packing them in

980
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,150
they only lose 10 to 15 during the break

981
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:38,880
not much to to rave about he says and

982
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:41,839
everything sort of shifts to a q a

983
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:43,680
format which is good because then you

984
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,720
can interact with the audience directly

985
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:48,480
i picked a fat man and an oversized

986
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:51,040
trench coat he asked where did the ufos

987
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:52,160
come from

988
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:54,560
i hedged still playing it conservative

989
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:57,200
then after a few more such i recognized

990
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:59,760
raung he stood there tall and impressive

991
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,599
and in that deep tone of voice of his he

992
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:03,839
asked isn't it true that you yourself

993
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,480
claimed contact with the aliens

994
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,400
my face has always turned in embarrassed

995
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:11,040
red i went through my evasion act then

996
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:12,720
told the contact story filled with

997
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:14,320
contradictions even the tennis shoe

998
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:15,680
crowd could notice

999
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,880
on cue willow jumped up yelled fake and

1000
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,400
stalked out of the hall

1001
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:22,320
a couple of people followed him the rest

1002
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:23,920
counted the dots on the ceiling looked

1003
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:26,000
at their watches etc until the end of

1004
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:33,589
given the funny names and generally

1005
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,200
what's going on here you might have

1006
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:37,359
deduced where all this is going but the

1007
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:39,760
end of the story sort of ties the whole

1008
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:41,599
thing up and it's it's just two pages

1009
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,640
it's it's fun it's clever and i like the

1010
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:46,320
ending

1011
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,240
back at the ship flying on to our next

1012
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,000
lecture date ryong asked for the

1013
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,800
thousandth time why why do they buy such

1014
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:54,320
a simple ruse

1015
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,079
perhaps i said because they need to

1016
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:59,040
believe it's a fake if they didn't well

1017
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:01,200
remember the orwell broadcast

1018
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:03,280
off we flew looking for all the world

1019
00:40:07,420 --> 00:40:05,040
like a flying saucer

1020
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:07,430
or was it just bald lightning

1021
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:10,400
[Music]

1022
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:11,839
another interesting

1023
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,079
piece in this third issue of the

1024
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:16,880
periuthologist is entitled the ufo field

1025
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,960
in the united states an evaluation of

1026
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:20,480
the current situation and here

1027
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:22,480
greenfield sort of looks at what's going

1028
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:26,800
on with ufology and sort of tests the

1029
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:29,359
question of whether in a post-blue book

1030
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:32,400
post-condom report world anybody cares

1031
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:35,680
and he says yeah people do care he

1032
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:37,200
quotes a letter that was written to him

1033
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:39,520
by stanton t friedman saying that you

1034
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:41,920
know you know his lectures are

1035
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:44,000
overflowing and the audiences are

1036
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,319
enthusiastic people are interested in

1037
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:48,880
the topic even if institutions aren't

1038
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:51,119
interested in the topic ufology is still

1039
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:53,040
around but where should it go in the

1040
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:54,319
future

1041
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,319
i wasn't involved in the ufology of the

1042
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,240
50s but i did have the fortune good or

1043
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:00,079
bad of riding with the ufology of the

1044
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,319
1960s on the road up and down the peak

1045
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,800
of 66 67 and down through the

1046
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,720
conclusions of the condom committee and

1047
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:08,880
the closing of project bluebook

1048
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,400
it is still quite possible that the

1049
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,640
efforts of ufologists during that decade

1050
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:15,119
will ultimately yield a positive harvest

1051
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:17,359
but any new ufological wave might well

1052
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:19,119
give thought to avoiding the mistakes of

1053
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:21,920
the past for the ufology of the 60s

1054
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:24,160
whatever else one can say of it did not

1055
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:25,839
succeed in bringing about a high

1056
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:27,839
priority for scientific investigation of

1057
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:30,319
the ufo subject nor does it seem to have

1058
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:32,240
been able to keep public attention at a

1059
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:35,119
sustained high level nor did it in any

1060
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:38,000
clear way seem to solve the ufo mystery

1061
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:45,109
so what should it do in the future he

1062
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:46,319
has

1063
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:50,000
one two three four five points here and

1064
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,160
the first point is that in the future

1065
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,160
ufology needs to change the status of

1066
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:56,880
ufology from a hobby into a profession

1067
00:42:01,670 --> 00:42:00,079
from a part-time thing into a full-time

1068
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:01,680
thing

1069
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:03,680
the fact remains he says ufology has

1070
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,720
from the early days been a

1071
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:06,800
non-professional field

1072
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:09,040
what has it accomplished

1073
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:11,119
he says he doesn't mean he's calling on

1074
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,040
non-professionals to

1075
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:15,520
drop out of ufology he says that

1076
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:16,960
non-professional ufology is better than

1077
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:19,119
no ufology at all and amateurs can play

1078
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:21,359
an important role but he says it needs

1079
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:22,319
to be

1080
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:24,800
done by a professional class a new

1081
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:27,839
professional class within the ufo field

1082
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:30,240
i don't think this has happened um since

1083
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:32,800
then i don't think it will happen i'm

1084
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,200
not sure where the money would come from

1085
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:37,040
to be a professional ufologist i'm not

1086
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:39,520
sure what the business plan would be for

1087
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,319
that

1088
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:42,800
because the money to be made in ufology

1089
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:45,040
i would think would be in presenting

1090
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:47,359
material presenting findings presenting

1091
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:49,920
research and i don't know if that would

1092
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:53,440
generate enough revenue to fund the kind

1093
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:54,319
of

1094
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,160
or other if a logical if ecological

1095
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:02,880
there's a word if ecological work that

1096
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:04,720
needs to be done

1097
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:05,520
two

1098
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,440
narrow theoretical prejudice in any

1099
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:09,359
direction should be avoided by persons

1100
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:11,200
working in the ufo field

1101
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,720
a good case could be developed for a

1102
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:14,640
number of explanations for the ufo

1103
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,440
problem but no one explanation has yet

1104
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,440
been proven in such a way as to move it

1105
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:21,280
from the status of theory to the status

1106
00:43:25,829 --> 00:43:23,839
of objective fact theoretical offerings

1107
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:25,839
which might at first look seem to be

1108
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,079
totally absurd could well upon closer

1109
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:30,079
investigation proved to be quite

1110
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:31,119
interesting

1111
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:33,119
ufologists should avoid falling into

1112
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:36,079
either unduly accepting or rejecting any

1113
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:43,750
i mean yeah i don't want to say oh

1114
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:45,920
obviously but yeah kind of obviously we

1115
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:47,839
don't know what this is and we don't

1116
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:49,920
even know what theories might be

1117
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:52,800
effective um along these same lines i

1118
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:54,880
saw somebody on twitter the other day

1119
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:55,839
who

1120
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:58,079
styles themself a professional

1121
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,640
investigator of the paranormal

1122
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:02,880
you know proclaimed that people need to

1123
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:03,760
stop

1124
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,280
acting like they have the answers

1125
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,440
because nobody has the answers as though

1126
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,440
this was some sort of profound

1127
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:11,280
realization or pronouncement that they

1128
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,800
had when

1129
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:14,240
you know smart people have been saying

1130
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,760
that for

1131
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:18,000
going on 50 years right

1132
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:20,560
the third point efforts should continue

1133
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:22,079
he says to be made in the direction of

1134
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:24,400
gathering and making available raw ufo

1135
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:25,440
data

1136
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:28,960
itself

1137
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,200
he says ad nauseam

1138
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:33,520
collecting data

1139
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:35,839
and doing what with it that's always

1140
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,800
sort of the the step that doesn't really

1141
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,800
get addressed a lot of times i assume

1142
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:42,960
the new professional class of ufologists

1143
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:45,599
would be analyzing this data but we've

1144
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:48,240
been collecting data for a long time i'm

1145
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:51,680
not sure the collection of data is

1146
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:53,920
is the answer and data is important but

1147
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,319
what you deal with data is much more

1148
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:57,839
important

1149
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,640
four it might help the ufology field if

1150
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,319
present ufologists were to launch a

1151
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,720
meaningful effort to capture and retain

1152
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,240
a substantial youth element for the

1153
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,640
ufology sphere if such an effort is

1154
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,800
launched experienced ufologists should

1155
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,319
attempt to provide newcomers with the

1156
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:14,640
knowledge of the ufological past in such

1157
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,480
a manner as to avoid a repeat of the

1158
00:45:19,420 --> 00:45:18,319
same pitfalls that have appeared in the

1159
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:19,430
earlier eras

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00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:23,200
[Music]

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00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:24,800
you got to get the kids hooked man

1162
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,280
that's the only way this works and yes

1163
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:29,839
there needs to be new voices on a

1164
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:32,160
regular basis coming into coming into

1165
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:33,280
this field

1166
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,480
but my favorite part of that point is

1167
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:38,480
that you need to teach them what has

1168
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:40,480
come before so they don't just spin

1169
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:43,200
their wheels and make the same

1170
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,240
mistakes and sort of find things that

1171
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:48,640
people have already found and

1172
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,760
you know say the same things about them

1173
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:53,760
it it would be like

1174
00:45:58,829 --> 00:45:56,319
ufo twitter if you didn't teach people

1175
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,839
what had come before and nobody wants

1176
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:00,400
that

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00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:02,960
5. ufologists should be on the lookout

1178
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:05,040
for and should resist any inclination on

1179
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:06,480
the part of the field to become

1180
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,079
internalized and out of tune with

1181
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,319
general reality public interest in the

1182
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:12,240
subject should continue to be sought

1183
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,560
after in an active way and segments of

1184
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,560
the field should work in this direction

1185
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:18,000
it should be kept in mind that the

1186
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,760
approaches used toward the public and

1187
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:21,839
press in the recent past may now be

1188
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:23,839
overworked new approaches should be

1189
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:32,550
now there is a fourth issue of the para

1190
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,640
ufologist but it's

1191
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:36,240
i think it's even shorter than the other

1192
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:39,599
ones it's only about 15 pages and the

1193
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,560
the biggest article in it is about ufo

1194
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:44,800
myth and it's

1195
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,240
it's unwieldy i i tried to to sort of

1196
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:50,480
form it into a thing and and

1197
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:52,000
and sort of summarize it and then have

1198
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:53,599
some extras from it but

1199
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:57,760
it's unwieldy and um con complex not

1200
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:00,000
unwieldy in a this is poorly written way

1201
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,720
but in a i can't do this justice sort of

1202
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,520
way so i will have a direct link to the

1203
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:08,160
archives for the unexplained copy of

1204
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:11,119
this fourth issue of the periufologist

1205
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:13,599
in the show notes and you can take a

1206
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:15,040
look at the article called the myth of

1207
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:16,319
ufology

1208
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,400
yourself because

1209
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:20,640
i tried and i did say four issues at the

1210
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:22,000
beginning of the episode that's because

1211
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:25,520
i did that before i got down to this

1212
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:28,160
last episode or this last issue and i i

1213
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:29,119
can't

1214
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:34,720
there as far as looking at these issues

1215
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:37,520
in depth but i do want to say a couple

1216
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:40,400
things first i think it's clear that the

1217
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,800
things that greenfield was talking about

1218
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:44,800
in these issues of the peri-ufologist

1219
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:47,280
and the way he talked about ufology and

1220
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:49,280
his emphasis on studying the history of

1221
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:51,680
ufology to avoid the pitfalls of the

1222
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:53,599
past and have a fuller understanding of

1223
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:55,520
the range of opinions and theories being

1224
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:58,720
offered is something that

1225
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:01,440
not a lot of people were doing in the

1226
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:05,280
early 1970s people were still very much

1227
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,079
in their nuts and bolts silos or their

1228
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:10,480
john keel silo or their jacques valet

1229
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:11,760
silo

1230
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:13,119
they still are

1231
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:15,760
they still really are and a lot of what

1232
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:17,760
greenfield is talking about here people

1233
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:19,839
have said in the last five or ten years

1234
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:21,520
and been hailed as

1235
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,079
visionaries or really insightful and

1236
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:26,400
they are i mean these are these are

1237
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,160
seeing the interconnectedness between

1238
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:30,880
different aspects of the paranormal and

1239
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:33,839
esoteric things and a broader sort of

1240
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:35,599
conception of the history of ufology

1241
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,599
being important these are all very good

1242
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:39,839
things but they're not necessarily new

1243
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:41,280
things and i think it's important to

1244
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:43,760
recognize what people like greenfield

1245
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:46,720
were doing back in the early 1970s and

1246
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:49,280
the second thing i want to say is that

1247
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:51,040
greenfield wrote all these things with

1248
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,000
such a light touch and with such humor

1249
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:56,559
he's really an excellent writer which

1250
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:58,720
isn't something you see a lot or

1251
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:00,079
consistently

1252
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:03,520
among ufo types he's entertaining his

1253
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:06,559
story about the saucer people who were

1254
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:09,359
doing bad lectures in order to throw

1255
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:12,000
humans off the scent of ufos

1256
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:15,359
it was it was sort of gray barker level

1257
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:18,000
sly humor and i really really enjoyed

1258
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,319
that and i have a feeling i'm going to

1259
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,400
be reading a lot more old alan

1260
00:49:26,140 --> 00:49:24,640
greenfield newsletters in the months to

1261
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:26,150
come

1262
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:34,630
next time morris k jessup his books and

1263
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,280
the weird mail he received

1264
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:39,119
thank you for listening remember to send

1265
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:40,559
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1266
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:42,640
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1267
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,960
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1268
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:46,640
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1269
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:48,640
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00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:51,040
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1271
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